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WhatNitrous

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don't understand anti-virus programs
An antivirus program watches for system changes (when using heuristics), rookits which are found in the registry the same exact place you'll actually find the anti virus early loading 16 bit services (technically TSRs or Rootkits) themselves, watching for files being renamed, removed from the registry immediately after load, they check all the (once again) registry locations that system restore uses as well as the shadow copy service. They also search for simple text strings, encrypted in multiple different formats that have been discovered over the years.

One of the latest and worst malware ever is 'by 'scanner' standards according to malwarebytes still unstoppable and can't be decrypted...yet reading the information on the page explaining how the malware checked for its own program signature that was always identical...it hit me.

My very first (to me obvious) thought was to create a faux shell of that program loaded at boot with the same signature during startup (since the encryption it ran could not be ran twice or would destroy the files they intended to sell back to ppl), making it "think" it was running if you were attacked.

Clearly it would have stopped before it could do any damage....why that thought eluded the "experts" is beyond me, but it was like shining a fucking flare at me with the solution written on it and all I got was a breakdown of how it actually caused damage since they were not intending to give the virri to a bunch of inter-idiots.

All AV programs run a loading program before Windows even starts up (hence why most GOOD ones run in safe mode) on a little "necessary" list of drivers that ain't even x64 honestly...they load in a non user namespace that is like a virtual machine even to windows (as does the task manager, hence how it interrupts your frozen computer and opens to shut down apps), actually sometimes they use the task manager to get the privileges they need for viruses using a function that gives programs extreme elevation as well as the ability to imitate a program elevated higher than themselves.

But heres the best part, the earliest ones to load cannot be detected by any that load AFTER.
forgot the word again
Torrent? Cracked? Pirated? All of the above lol.
get games for free,
This is actually the target of that particular malware I mentioned that will encrypt your files and eventually your entire drive until it fails, they just leave a price and a link in a text file with the encrypted files telling you how much and how to pay...if you don't, sometimes even if you do...those files are lost forever.

No mercy from those kind of people.
Confused? rooms? did you mean 'worms' (I'm serious this time), oh read further. You meant ROMS. Well, I don't think any program would pick up a ROM because it actually executes in code similar to the consoles (if not exactly like the consoles), which is neither Windows or a normal version of Linux.

The problem if you got a ROM that caused issues would be if it was an EXE

never trust a console game as an exe unless it was released as one originally, ever. I've seen a Tony Hawk Pro skater game and ManHunt that were obviously degraded to run on ancient PCs specifically for the purpose of infecting people.

Its amazing how far people will actually go.
also i want a antivirus that doesn't make me stop playing because it steals all ram
Thats practically impossible if your playing ROMs, they execute in memory from a different type of code so the only way a program can pick up that type of virus is integrating the ROM format...which, as far as I know they don't.

I may be wrong there--to scan the files themselves, the other approach (which is how its usually done) is to catch it in memory as it executes calling malicious code, almost in the same way a Game Genie or Hex editor style cheat engine modifies the games values....it looks for bits that are trying to modify things outside the emulators code so they are going to need to run while the games does unfortunately.

The best bet is using Windows Defender in this situation set to highest threat watch (or one bar below) since the emulators shouldn't technically be accessing important system files during the time you play, it likely won't be a serious pain in the ass.

For downloading, as I said...MalwareBytes is a good choice.

There may more crackers and wannabe hax0rs than ever before now, but there are much much less than you would think as far as people who are actually creative and good enough to create them from scratch...so MalwareBytes being probably the best at keeping up to date on known threats is the best choice in MY opinion for that.

Also, as far as your lag goes, keep this in mind as well...if you use an anti virus in windows 10 and don't register it with Windows Security Center it will run that AND Windows Defender at the same time, major lag.

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Its also one of the steps you need to use to trick Windows 10 into letting a virus run instead of the intended Anti-Virus program and being able to actual prevent the Anti-Virus from loading at all, usually making a mock version.

Btw, Virri is just shorthand slang for Viruses made from the combination of the letter i in Anti (basically the fact that i comes after the word Virus), its pretty much a fucking joke about how they never worked among programmers :ROFLMAO:

The proper english term, (even if it had one) would be spelled Viri with a single R...and actually was at one time, but it went against numerous other rules of proper grammar and was abandoned and forgotten almost before it went on record at all.

Did you know a Nibble was half a Byte and half a Nibble was a crumb? :LOL:

Bit = 1
Crumb = 2 Bits
Nibble = 2 Crumbs (4 Bits)
Byte = 2 Nibbles (8 Bits)

All this fucking thinking really made somebody hungry 😂
 
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LuckyStrike1305

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An antivirus program watches for system changes (when using heuristics), rookits which are found in the registry the same exact place you'll actually find the anti virus early loading 16 bit services (technically TSRs or Rootkits) themselves, watching for files being renamed, removed from the registry immediately after load, they check all the (once again) registry locations that system restore uses as well as the shadow copy service. They also search for simple text strings, encrypted in multiple different formats that have been discovered over the years.

One of the latest and worst malware ever is 'by 'scanner' standards according to malwarebytes still unstoppable and can't be decrypted...yet reading the information on the page explaining how the malware checked for its own program signature that was always identical...it hit me.

My very first (to me obvious) thought was to create a faux shell of that program loaded at boot with the same signature during startup (since the encryption it ran could not be ran twice or would destroy the files they intended to sell back to ppl), making it "think" it was running if you were attacked.

Clearly it would have stopped before it could do any damage....why that thought eluded the "experts" is beyond me, but it was like shining a fucking flare at me with the solution written on it and all I got was a breakdown of how it actually caused damage since they were not intending to give the virri to a bunch of inter-idiots.

All AV programs run a loading program before Windows even starts up (hence why most GOOD ones run in safe mode) on a little "necessary" list of drivers that ain't even x64 honestly...they load in a non user namespace that is like a virtual machine even to windows (as does the task manager, hence how it interrupts your frozen computer and opens to shut down apps), actually sometimes they use the task manager to get the privileges they need for viruses using a function that gives programs extreme elevation as well as the ability to imitate a program elevated higher than themselves.

But heres the best part, the earliest ones to load cannot be detected by any that load AFTER.

Torrent? Cracked? Pirated? All of the above lol.

This is actually the target of that particular malware I mentioned that will encrypt your files and eventually your entire drive until it fails, they just leave a price and a link in a text file with the encrypted files telling you how much and how to pay...if you don't, sometimes even if you do...those files are lost forever.

No mercy from those kind of people.

Confused? rooms? did you mean 'worms' (I'm serious this time), oh read further. You meant ROMS. Well, I don't think any program would pick up a ROM because it actually executes in code similar to the consoles (if not exactly like the consoles), which is neither Windows or a normal version of Linux.

The problem if you got a ROM that caused issues would be if it was an EXE

never trust a console game as an exe unless it was released as one originally, ever. I've seen a Tony Hawk Pro skater game and ManHunt that were obviously degraded to run on ancient PCs specifically for the purpose of infecting people.

Its amazing how far people will actually go.

Thats practically impossible if your playing ROMs, they execute in memory from a different type of code so the only way a program can pick up that type of virus is integrating the ROM format...which, as far as I know they don't.

I may be wrong there--to scan the files themselves, the other approach (which is how its usually done) is to catch it in memory as it executes calling malicious code, almost in the same way a Game Genie or Hex editor style cheat engine modifies the games values....it looks for bits that are trying to modify things outside the emulators code so they are going to need to run while the games does unfortunately.

The best bet is using Windows Defender in this situation set to highest threat watch (or one bar below) since the emulators shouldn't technically be accessing important system files during the time you play, it likely won't be a serious pain in the ass.

For downloading, as I said...MalwareBytes is a good choice.

There may more crackers and wannabe hax0rs than ever before now, but there are much much less than you would think as far as people who are actually creative and good enough to create them from scratch...so MalwareBytes being probably the best at keeping up to date on known threats is the best choice in MY opinion for that.

Also, as far as your lag goes, keep this in mind as well...if you use an anti virus in windows 10 and don't register it with Windows Security Center it will run that AND Windows Defender at the same time, major lag.

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Its also one of the steps you need to use to trick Windows 10 into letting a virus run instead of the intended Anti-Virus program and being able to actual prevent the Anti-Virus from loading at all, usually making a mock version.

Btw, Virri is just shorthand slang for Viruses made from the combination of the letter i in Anti (basically the fact that i comes after the word Virus), its pretty much a fucking joke about how they never worked among programmers :ROFLMAO:

The proper english term, (even if it had one) would be spelled Viri with a single R...and actually was at one time, but it went against numerous other rules of proper grammar and was abandoned and forgotten almost before it went on record at all.

Did you know a Nibble was half a Byte and half a Nibble was a crumb? :LOL:

Bit = 1
Crumb = 2 Bits
Nibble = 2 Crumbs (4 Bits)
Byte = 2 Nibbles (8 Bits)

All this fucking thinking really made somebody hungry 😂
This just made me realize how much I love simplicity in technical mambo jumbo :ROFLMAO:

What I understand is.. If someone badly wants you fucked, you are fucked xD Unless you are better than the fucker and fuck him first xD Aka wild west of the internet xDDD
 

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WhatNitrous

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This just made me realize how much I love simplicity in technical mambo jumbo :ROFLMAO:

What I understand is.. If someone badly wants you fucked, you are fucked xD Unless you are better than the fucker and fuck him first xD Aka wild west of the internet xDDD
What you understand is...you don't have to fuck anyone...but never rely on some program who doesn't CARE if you get fucked to protect yourself.

Thats like expecting the bartender in the west to go have the shootout for you at high noon :ROFLMAO:

But ya...theres always someone better than you and its best not to fuck with anyone...because you never know who--or be ready in case you get fucked yourself.

I'm sure theres someone much much better than me, I've met quite a few.

I'm just ok with getting fucked rather than putting up with stupid fucks :LOL:
 

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)) I'm interested to hear your opinion in the end)
sure when I will try it (Idk when...too much backlog) I'll let you know.
Pretty much EVERY game by Arc System Works looks simply AMAZING, but sometimes their artwork style just doesn't stick with the material itself (like was the case with Hard Corps: Uprising):unsure:
Daisuke Ishiwatari is one of my idols🤩
never heard about Hard corps...I can see the gameplay similar to Contra, as I told not a big fan of those type of games.
Well...okay, I'll remain silent.🤭
I guess what you mean, I was too generic, I meant old Sega;)
Thank you, Dishonored death of outsider is a good one and at least it is new game they haven't given before.
Their team is good, their product is shit, its slow...takes massive resources, and pretty much sucks.
I hate huge resources AV, you didn't mention Avira, do you like it? I used it for long time, I liked the free version and it was very light compared to others... don't know if it is still good today.
They recommend Avast for iOS PCs and generally MalwareBytes for Windows--except its not free for the great feature it has, real time monitoring of web browsing.

Let me make life simple for you.

Norton - Truly prevents direct hard drive access, the thing most dangerous malware actually use to encrypt and hold your drive ransom in the first place...its not perfect, but its not easy to avoid either...as well as intruders over the internet at least as far as I am aware.
I remember Norton was so heavy and very intrusive, even when unistalled it, it wasn't removed at all, you needed to download a separate unistaller to get rid completely of it.
MalwareBytes - Best for web surfing, it will prevent 'most' malware from ever touching your PC or even loading the page--granted its actually been discovered before.
Malwarebytes is good but sometimes depending on the system it goes in conflict with Windows Defender, I had no problem with main pc but with my dad pc's it doesn't work well with Defender, I had to uninstall it from there.
I like Eset online, it is scanner online you don't need to install on the system just run the exe and it does the work
Bunch a BS, probably made up by someone like me who is just pissed its useless in the first place lmao.
maybe yes maybe no, I would go with other choices the market is so big.
is just something for being secure when doing things, agains malicious urls and malicious download/ archives, per example, when i used to ( forgot the word again) get games for free, id get a lot of problems on win and usually get virus, or even downloading some rooms, or acidentally downloading a wrong file with virus( some sites are fckd and have ads exactly the same way as the download)


basically i do all things on my pc, like using my personal data ( id from my country) , buying things, and now i play a good nft game more to play than to earn( sunflower land), i just don't want to lose nothing or be infected.

ik the best anti virus is me, but sometimes i need to download things that idk if is secure or not( room).

i recently searched for emulator that emulate the new nitendo console( forgot the name), so that i can play pokemon arceus and other games, but idk if the emulator is secure nor the roms( i stopped download things from torrent too)

when i stopped downloading those things without thinking, got less windows corruption, my pc doesnt become slow anymore, but i'm not rich to buy nitendo console nor games XD.

also i want a antivirus that doesn't make me stop playing because it steals all ram
I'm totally agree with this, if you know how to surf, disable all scripts, activate only the ones you know they are safe you reduce the possibility to get infected.
I avoid all pirated websites because I don't need to download cracked programs or games. I don't use any torrent or open unknown exe.
yes some AV are pretty heavy, you should find a light one or just go with Windows Defender and open your eyes when you surf online.
 

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sure when I will try it (Idk when...too much backlog) I'll let you know.

never heard about Hard corps...I can see the gameplay similar to Contra, as I told not a big fan of those type of games.

I guess what you mean, I was too generic, I meant old Sega;)

Thank you, Dishonored death of outsider is a good one and at least it is new game they haven't given before.

I hate huge resources AV, you didn't mention Avira, do you like it? I used it for long time, I liked the free version and it was very light compared to others... don't know if it is still good today.

I remember Norton was so heavy and very intrusive, even when unistalled it, it wasn't removed at all, you needed to download a separate unistaller to get rid completely of it.

Malwarebytes is good but sometimes depending on the system it goes in conflict with Windows Defender, I had no problem with main pc but with my dad pc's it doesn't work well with Defender, I had to uninstall it from there.
I like Eset online, it is scanner online you don't need to install on the system just run the exe and it does the work

maybe yes maybe no, I would go with other choices the market is so big.

I'm totally agree with this, if you know how to surf, disable all scripts, activate only the ones you know they are safe you reduce the possibility to get infected.
I avoid all pirated websites because I don't need to download cracked programs or games. I don't use any torrent or open unknown exe.
yes some AV are pretty heavy, you should find a light one or just go with Windows Defender and open your eyes when you surf online.
Like I said when I 'helped' with your PC, your doing just fine on your own Ken ;)
 

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I hate huge resources AV, you didn't mention Avira, do you like it? I used it for long time, I liked the free version and it was very light compared to others... don't know if it is still good today.
I didn't, but thats like asking me if i would use ThreatLocker over MalwareBytes, beyond my own personal opinion of them not being in the same league, google backed it up by not spell checking MalwareBytes and marking ThreatLocker which actually makes more sense as a word...as well as (test) Avira (no spell check) lol.

Really though, they never even hit my radar much, although I tried Avira once and didn't like it myself i can't give a good detailed reason why, so i won't speak on it either way.

I was actually hunting for this from my earlier statement about AVG and Avast mobile apps and came across Avira, its another fucking clone. :ROFLMAO:

Yep, figured this out by looking at the android app similarities...I have absolutely no idea wtf I'm talking about whatsoever :LOL:

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18 Companies to choose from, one banned by US Government Agencies in 2017 (Kaspersky) and the other 16 are all owned by Norton except MalwareBytes hahaha.

No clue at all

I rest my case and bury a beanie.
 

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I didn't, but thats like asking me if i would use ThreatLocker over MalwareBytes, beyond my own personal opinion of them not being in the same league, google backed it up by not spell checking MalwareBytes and marking ThreatLocker which actually makes more sense as a word...as well as (test) Avira (no spell check) lol.

Really though, they never even hit my radar much, although I tried Avira once and didn't like it myself i can't give a good detailed reason why, so i won't speak on it either way.

I was actually hunting for this from my earlier statement about AVG and Avast mobile apps and came across Avira, its another fucking clone. :ROFLMAO:

Yep, figured this out by looking at the android app similarities...I have absolutely no idea wtf I'm talking about whatsoever :LOL:

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18 Companies to choose from, one banned by US Government Agencies in 2017 (Kaspersky) and the other 16 are all owned by Norton except MalwareBytes hahaha.

No clue at all

I rest my case and bury a beanie.
Sorry, 15 owned by Norton.

They don't own McAfee which is contracted by my countries government along with one of the major credit companies that keep track of it (the one that keeps getting hacked) lol.

So let me say this as well.

I would trust Kaspersky even if the russians were trying to invade the US with it long before I would trust McAfee 😂😂😂
 

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never heard about Hard corps...I can see the gameplay similar to Contra, as I told not a big fan of those type of games.
No wonder, 'cause:
1) it's a game in the Contra series
2) it's a consoles exclusive
I guess what you mean, I was too generic, I meant old Sega;)
IMHO even the old SEGA sometimes done outright meh or even ugly things.
But I'm too lazy right now to lure the net and find some examples, I just know they're existed for sure...:unsure:
 

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No wonder, 'cause:
1) it's a game in the Contra series
2) it's a consoles exclusive

IMHO even the old SEGA sometimes done outright meh or even ugly things.
But I'm too lazy right now to lure the net and find some examples, I just know they're existed for sure...:unsure:
Totally agree, and I only owned a Sega in the SNES era, I hated it badly.
 

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I didn't, but thats like asking me if i would use ThreatLocker over MalwareBytes, beyond my own personal opinion of them not being in the same league, google backed it up by not spell checking MalwareBytes and marking ThreatLocker which actually makes more sense as a word...as well as (test) Avira (no spell check) lol.

Really though, they never even hit my radar much, although I tried Avira once and didn't like it myself i can't give a good detailed reason why, so i won't speak on it either way.

I was actually hunting for this from my earlier statement about AVG and Avast mobile apps and came across Avira, its another fucking clone. :ROFLMAO:

Yep, figured this out by looking at the android app similarities...I have absolutely no idea wtf I'm talking about whatsoever :LOL:
I remember Avira was very good between free AV and searching on internet it is still valid today. I tried other ones in past and that one was the lighter one.
I don't know about mobile Av, I never felt the need to have one on my mobile. Sometimes mobiles are preloaded with free Av that are more spyware then Av. Even mobile apps that clear the junk from the phone it is spyware and it is possible to do same tasks just without the app.
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18 Companies to choose from, one banned by US Government Agencies in 2017 (Kaspersky) and the other 16 are all owned by Norton except MalwareBytes hahaha.

No clue at all

I rest my case and bury a beanie.
Oh Norton rules them all:LOL: haha
Sorry, 15 owned by Norton.

They don't own McAfee which is contracted by my countries government along with one of the major credit companies that keep track of it (the one that keeps getting hacked) lol.

So let me say this as well.

I would trust Kaspersky even if the russians were trying to invade the US with it long before I would trust McAfee 😂😂😂
McAfee another Av that lives in the pc even when you unistall, same when I tried it I had to use external tool to get rid of it.:ROFLMAO:
No wonder, 'cause:
1) it's a game in the Contra series
2) it's a consoles exclusive
Cool it doesn't look from Contra, it is different design.
IMHO even the old SEGA sometimes done outright meh or even ugly things.
But I'm too lazy right now to lure the net and find some examples, I just know they're existed for sure...:unsure:
:LOL: no problem, I'm tired too, but ofc I'm pretty sure there are some ugly games between one million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_video_games
 
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