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whatnitrus

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ausf said:
I'm not going anywhere near the grill. I just collect my food. I'd be much more concerned about some menial employee flipping out and attacking people.
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As someone who worked at McDonalds for a whole two weeks before quiting over dickheads...let me assure you that employees are too busy wanting to attack co-workers and their boss to bother being violent toward customers :LOL:
 
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whatnitrus said:
As someone who worked at McDonalds for a whole two weeks before quiting over dickheads.
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You tried, I guess?
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let me assure you that employees are too busy wanting to attack co-workers and their boss to bother being violent toward customers :LOL:
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From what I've seen, it's customers that start things, but I have seen violent employees too. The employee boss dynamic is also a cause of conflict.

Meanwhile, the number of automated car factory and Amazon warehouse robots attacking people is zero. While robots could be sabotaged by people, or just randomly go out of control due to some failure, I'd still trust them over random people any day.
 
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ausf said:
You tried, I guess?
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There were good reasons believe it or not...some kid kept talking behind my back with my manager so often I almost stuck his head in a fry cooker...broke every knuckle on both hands punching a brick wall instead...at which point they promised never to put me on shift with him again--the very next day they asked me to work late for 2 hours and I agreed...but they neglected to mention he was on shift, so when I told them I couldn't work with him they said I had too or I was fired.

I literally pulled the scene from half-baked trying to give some customer a free burger and accidentally hitting a manager in the head with it as I quit after they said that :ROFLMAO:

 
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ausf said:
You didn't read the entire comment. They can fail, but they don't intentionally attack people. A few random casualties until it is perfected is acceptable.
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Ok to break a few eggs lol.

Funny I doubt you would feel that way if one mamed you for life in the name of progress.

It's ok as long as its someone else who takes the hit...this is the base problem with mankind, every life is as important and fragile as our own. We only get one, theres no continue or reset buttons...and to that particulat person at that particular time everything was ruined...because we failed to properly and safely test these situations in an isolated environment rushing.

To them it eas everything, all to peed things along or save a few bucks. The price is too high. Until we realize that we're doomed to failure by mistake...and eventually one will end the human race, if it hasnt already.
 
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whatnitrus said:
Funny I doubt you would feel that way if one mamed you for life in the name of progress.
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Most of these robots made to work alongside humans aren't Terminators. They don't need to be fast. They just need to be consistent, and cheaper than minimum wage employees. Not a high bar to achieve. Also, plenty of people get themselves maimed for life with regular non automated machines.

In this case, a human driven car hit a pedestrian, and knocked them under the robotaxi. They were then dragged under the car without it realizing. This was not intentional.

As Lord Farquaad said, that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.
 
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ausf said:
Most of these robots made to work alongside humans aren't Terminators. They don't need to be fast. They just need to be consistent, and cheaper than minimum wage employees. Not a high bar to achieve. Also, plenty of people get themselves maimed for life with regular non automated machines.

In this case, a human driven car hit a pedestrian, and knocked them under the robotaxi. They were then dragged under the car without it realizing. This was not intentional.

As Lord Farquaad said, that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.
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Read my edit above...I got nothing else to say on the subject after that. I'm cold as ice...but your completely and utterly only concerned about you. There's no point in having a humanitarian debate with someone who has that mentality and stays far from it all watching.

If you want to make the sacrifice, isolate yourself with them for testing...you and you alone 🤷‍♂️
 
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People don't decide to take those chances...they are working stiffs with no choice but to show up to work or lose their life, home, family....then a machine gets shoved into their workplace and attacks them. They never get the choice, thats always the problem...choice. Most people don't have the luxury to just walk away in most situations.

Don't claim what you would do on the battlefield while you watch from the stands of the arena. Because believe me things would change fast.
 
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whatnitrus said:
I'm cold as ice...but your completely and utterly only concerned about you.
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I think your position is that you are (overly) concerned about the individual, while ignoring all the benefits it would bring to the future. There are always mistakes and sacrifices, but we learn from them, and do better.

It's not like humans don't get injured and killed at fast food places. It happens a lot. Customers, criminals, unsafe work practices or demanding bosses etc. Or just simple incompetence.

By removing the humans entirely, we remove the risk.

I say this not because I care, I don't. I just don't like expensive, lazy and incompetent people doing pointless menial work and getting in my way when I want food. I would prefer consistent and reliable automation over interacting with fast food workers.
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then a machine gets shoved into their workplace and attacks them.
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I think they're far more likely to be attacked by humans than machines.
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Most people don't have the luxury to just walk away in most situations
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I disagree here too. You walked away.
 
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This reminds me of Spock and Kirk arguing over the needs of the many versus the needs of the few. Both are important, but there needs to be a balance.

As far as sacrifices go, I am way too lazy to do it myself, but there are always people willing to sacrifice for something. Money is a common motivator, but plenty of people are willing to do it for ideological reasons too.
 
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ausf said:
I think your position is that you are (overly) concerned about the individual, while ignoring all the benefits it would bring to the future. There are always mistakes and sacrifices, but we learn from them, and do better.

It's not like humans don't get injured and killed at fast food places. It happens a lot. Customers, criminals, unsafe work practices or demanding bosses etc. Or just simple incompetence.
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True but usually people need to be pushed.
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By removing the humans entirely, we remove the risk.
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Well, no need for human beings at all then...I mean we could be just as much of a risk being couped up bored at home until we go nuts or doing drugs to escape the boredom.

We can either have freedom and the risks that come with it or we can be locked away with zero risk to anyone but ourselves...giving idiots more free time they don't need to be doing something useful isnt the answer--covid proved that along with the legalization of Marijuana that came with it.
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I say this not because I care, I don't. I just don't like expensive, lazy and incompetent people doing pointless menial work and getting in my way when I want food. I would prefer consistent and reliable automation over interacting with fast food workers.
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I don't know where you go to get fast food, but i've literally never seen anyone attacked at a fast food restaurant and i've done enough stupid shit to have had it happen to me personally :LOL:
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I think they're far more likely to be attacked by humans than machines.
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In a.long enough timeframe you may be right.
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I disagree here too. You walked away.
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I was a teenager who lived with his parents, I had no obligations to be concerned about that required I keep my job.

I had no choice to walk away here because I couldnt afford an apartment while paying or withholding my rent at the same time.

The courts have no measure in place for this type of situation, the preliminary injunction is meant to enforce a safe environment during trial and it failed due to a judges bias. My landlord see's me the same way a giant corporation see's those workers, its not him so who fucking cares...but if he was forced to live here i'm sure he would have invested in proper measures to correct the issues immediately. The court was about the same as the government, no real measures in place to prevent my slow death in the process and useless even with what they could do.

A flawed system as far as people being in immediate danger...the situatuon is no different, it's just not ages old yet.

Its a repeat of the same idiocy in a different sense...quickly thrown together pretenses of precaution as the giant wheel rolls on without any concern for the average person.

In all sanity they should have removed me from my unit at his cost during trial its so bad, but they just have a little book of rules with no real means to enforce it they follow along and zero realistic alternatives.

It would be the same for a working stiff..you can't get unemployment because you quit to be safe rather than sorry...you have to wait until after the damage is done for a resolution.

You obivously have never been trapped or boxed in by life before...I would never wish it on anybody, but its a lesson you could honestly benefit from.

In your greater scale online argumentives you may seem to make sense as a big picture person...but the biggest picture's come down to the smallest drops of paint in the real world...not the admirer sitting high above the canvas calling it a masterpiece. One tiny drop of paint in the wrong place changes everything the painting is worth as a whole...but the admirer may never notice.

If you can't place principals and people over progress and profit, its only because your not one of the people who it could happen to...again, its different if you look at it as if the one person who got hurt was yourself. I don't understand how you cant see that.
 
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Now really i'm done...I'm already having a shit morning and as much as I don't mind intellectual debates with you...this one is just asinine and aggravating. Your mentality about a few incidents being ok actual irks me and I dont need the extra stress atm.

I can't make you see the alternate reality of being the person who ended up in a wheelchair or something over someones failure to properly prepare before testing those things...but if you look at that side, it becomes a matter of your just speaking out your ass...because nobody would be ok with knowing that would happen to them.
 
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You obivously have never been trapped or boxed in by life before...I would never wish it on anybody, but its a lesson you could honestly benefit from.
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Briefly, but fortunately I got out of it without too much trouble. Still more than I wanted though.

You can't always do what you want, and your previous choices limit your future choices, but other than a few extreme situations, there are usually some choices.

For example, if I was in your situation, I'd stop paying rent. Once I had enough money to move, I would. You'd probably eventually get debt collectors, and a long eviction process, but it can usually be done. Once it reaches debt collectors, you can either negotiate it down, or ignore it until the statute of limitations runs out. I never bothered mentioning this before because local laws vary, and I have no idea how you're paying rent or if it can be done in your situation. Local laws varying by jurisdiction etc.
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Now really i'm done...I'm already having a shit morning and as much as I don't mind intellectual debates with you...this one is just asinine and aggravating.
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I wasn't trying to piss you off. I'm happy to leave it there too. Like I said a few posts above, you seem to overvalue individual circumstances, while ignoring future benefits.

Look at it this way, if one million people worldwide die in traffic incidents, and automation could drastically reduce that number, is it worth sacrificing a few hundred people to achieve? To me, yes. To you, the hundred are too great a sacrifice, while you ignore the million dying each year.

Like the prisoner organ harvesting, we can leave it there. I doubt prisoner organ harvesting will be common in Western countries, but it probably still happens in China. In contrast, I expect most menial jobs to be replaced with automation as soon as it's economically viable.
 
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