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kelleidorn

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ausf said:
Completely understandable. There has been mixed messaging, and the rules, like the pirate's code, are more like guidelines, and they're rarely enforced. I'd like to see a clear list of what is and isn't allowed, and more warning and enforcement. I have never seen mods talk at all, even though they are occasionally online.

Sounds good. I'd be interested to see them, and even more interested to see them publicly listed so everyone can.
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I'll let you know if I find out anything.

ausf said:
Are you actually banned on SG? Assuming this: User - Kelleidorn is you, you're not banned. For comparison, temp ban: User - BOGDANISTHEBENECILD and perm ban: User - ZhuX7
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Yes, my page remains unchanged, but I can't log in anymore and I don’t know what kind of ban they applied. I sent an appeal to their support, but no response has yet been received.

Well, if you've ever given away anything on SteamGifts, you probably know that they have a very unfair system for awarding points for giveaways and can retroactively give status "No value" for games that previously were status "Full value" or "Reduced value". Almost all of my giveaways that I gave out at different times began to receive the status “No value” although at the time of giveaway they were not on any of their lists, not in any bundle and were not tagged with 1 or 2 asterisks, as a result my level rolled back from 6 to 3. I sent a message to support about this and decided to find out on what basis they mark games with “No value” statuses and where I can track the appearance of these statuses, because their system seemed totally unclear, so that the games that I plan to giveaway with SG are not thrown into the void and all my efforts did not turn into dust, if any game can be devalued by any decision. I also offered them a more simplified scoring and leveling system, partially based on the local IndieGala leveling system, but slightly more refined, but most importantly, much more fair and which can lead to the fact that more users will want to share their keys and in the future greatly increase the number of giveaways at SG.
And what did they do in the end? Right, they wiped my giveaways, rolled back all my progress from level 3 to level 1 and they answered that they can do this, yes, they can at any time, with any hindsight, add any games to the “No value” list and thereby reset any levels! I really didn't like it, but what can the average user do in an attempt to withstand to liars and scammers?
So, in the end, f**k them all, I'm staying here, at the best site with the best community!
 
ausf

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kelleidorn said:
Yes, my page remains unchanged, but I can't log in anymore and I don’t know what kind of ban they applied. I sent an appeal to their support, but no response has yet been received.
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That's just weird then. Not sure. Shadowbanning? Perhaps. I am not familiar enough with their ban system except to say it is not consistent and the appeal process does nothing. They simply don't answer.
kelleidorn said:
Well, if you've ever given away anything on SteamGifts, you probably know that they have a very unfair system for awarding points for giveaways
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I am familiar. There is some structure to the way they do it, but again, it lacks consistency. The only way to keep your CV is to have given something away before it gets reduced. Then you're good. It won't be reduced twice.
kelleidorn said:
level rolled back from 6 to 3. I sent a message to support about this
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The nail that sticks up gets hammered down. By making yourself seen, you will have enforcement placed directly upon you. I have seen this done multiple times by people making forum posts.
kelleidorn said:
So, in the end, f**k them all, I'm staying here, at the best site with the best community!
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Agreed.

Just in general with SG, the way to make it work is to be in groups. Levels don't matter so much as being on the right whitelists, and in the right Steam groups. The admins, and the public GAs are pretty much a waste of time. I have often gathered games to give away on SG, only to see them reduced to zero hours, weeks, or even months later. At that point I just give them away here instead. I only got burned once, so never again. I constantly see other people getting upset in the forums though.
 
kelleidorn

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ausf said:
That's just weird then. Not sure. Shadowbanning? Perhaps. I am not familiar enough with their ban system except to say it is not consistent and the appeal process does nothing. They simply don't answer.
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I click "Sign in through Steam", then I log in through Steam at the Steam website and then I am thrown back to the main page unlogged. At first I thought that the problem was in the browser, but then I tried several browsers, then I tried through my smartphone and only then I realized that it was because of my correspondence with support because I was kicked off the site immediately after their last message and the ticket was closed.
 
mzklightning

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ausf said:
I'm not entirely convinced that's true. The rules are very vague. There's some irrelevant cut and paste, and apart from one user making it their life's mission to report rule infractions, real or imaginary, and a few people piggybacking off that, there are no rules. You can do anything, and of course expect appropriate feedback for that.
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I kinda figure that this comment is pointed straight at me, so allow me to share a screengrab from a Discord conversation that I had with @paula on this subject:



The words that get cut off at the end of my question are "already free to obtain through Steam?"

Paula never said anything else on the matter, so I presumed that she checked and confirmed her suspicions seen in the image.

Please do note, however, that I ignore giveaways for free games that drop trading cards on Steam. I don't report those because (as @kelleidorn has aptly said in the past) there is a distinct difference between free and retail game licenses. Retail licenses allow access to a small number of complimentary Steam Trading Card drops (half of the total number of cards in the game's set, rounded up). Free licenses do not give such an advantage. This means that keys for such card dropping games give an actual utility to the person receiving them, even though the utility of the base game is given for free.
 
ausf

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mzklightning said:
Paula never said anything else on the matter, so I presumed that she checked and confirmed her suspicions seen in the image.
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That is a MASSIVE assumption. You've been basing your rule on that? That's hilarious. Has even one person faced a warning or enforcement for giving away something that is free? No.

A free license can be removed. Retail can not. That's the difference. You're not a mod. You neither make nor enforce the rules. You do fill up one thread with reports that are ignored, and some things you're assuming are rules, are clearly not.
 
whatnitrus

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ausf said:
That is a MASSIVE assumption. You've been basing your rule on that? That's hilarious. Has even one person faced a warning or enforcement for giving away something that is free? No.

A free license can be removed. Retail can not. That's the difference. You're not a mod. You neither make nor enforce the rules. You do fill up one thread with reports that are ignored, and some things you're assuming are rules, are clearly not.
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No, its just a dick move...although some rare users refuse to add a game thats free but will do it with a key, its rare. Personally i'd be pissed even though I used "free" silver heh.

Reading the message from paula I take away the same conclusion frankly, of course she did say she wasn't sure as well.

If the game key is utterly worthless, would you trade for it using a game you purchased for a decent price? I would assume not, if your sane anyways...well, users do put paid games in the GA section (not all keys are from another free source like yours), as does the site itself.

So in a bigger picture view of things...is it fair that one user pays for the keys they provide for others and the site, while the list is overflowing with free trash keys?

Its no better than a fake listing. I'm not one to go chasing down users and reporting them (I frown on this as well), but in this particular case, as I would with an invalid key after speaking to the user...I wouldn't blame someone if they did report it...if it happened to THEM directly.

You all need to take a pill...IG levels are useless--so flooding the GA with trash is just killing the section entirely and fucking the users here for something ridiculous...and chasing down people to report them is like being a cop calling snitch because your bored.

Find a better purpose in life 🙄
 
elloco

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zoliv said:
I have all those :

LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars (GOG)
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion – Game of the Year Edition (GOG)
Rose Riddle: The Fairy Tale Detective - CE (Legacy)
Doors Games: Escape from School (Legacy)

You want something ? ElLoco ? Not sure they'll all work, but...
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Can I have Lego and Door game? :love:
 
curtainferno

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ausf said:
kelleidorn said:
I tried to contact the admins with a question about the giveaway rules, if they answer me anything or finally give me the rules, I will let you know.
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Sounds good. I'd be interested to see them, and even more interested to see them publicly listed so everyone can.
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forums.indiegala.com forums.indiegala.com

(Aww, looks like fellow STG appreciater Azure is no longer on IndieGala's staff. :( )
 
whatnitrus

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Naa, me and Ausf already hate each other and everyone knows about Lightnings habitual reporting by now :LOL:

I'm just blunt as a baseball bat (with nails in it), I do this shit all the time...just like I did to you. I try to keep the place new user friendly in areas like the GAs, then I run new users through Gala boot camp.

If they can't put up with my shit being real, they might as well jump ship before they even figure out about the alt accounts and random troll issues.

I'm brutal, but i'm honest...there are worse things hiding in the shadows and absolutely zero staff involvement in the forums...so we gotta keep the place somewhat sane by ourselves ;)
 
ausf

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kelleidorn said:
PS: I really hope that I didn’t start a holywar because of my giveaways :)
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I just want to know what the rules are. Bonus points if they're actually enforced. Asking a question five months ago, and not getting a response, does not make something a rule. The rules in the GA creation section are cut and pasted from the trade creation section. The rules in Help/Docs say: "You can create non-guaranteed giveaways with serial keys that have already been exposed or unveiled in your IndieGala Library, or that come from elsewhere." That's it. That is the entirety of the rules. It then goes on to say that feedback (that few people leave) will determine the rest.
 
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