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Derpowitz

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yep..i realized that when i woke up today..didnt notice then due to anger!!
came to edit it or delete if possible,,
sorry
i also found exactly the name of that hole.. "shaira"
Don't worry about it too much, there's places where you can buy an Evil Genius key for pennies, the dude didn't get away with a lot. I think until the staff do something about the scammers, word of mouth is the only working system we have around here.
 

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@derpowitz, I guess you're angry because I did my math wrong :(, my apologies:
Meaning he still isn't banned yet, and with 16 created giveaways there's 3 more left to go, so place your bets!

It's not actually 3 left to go, its 6, since he has a total of 19 giveaways created and only 13 total feedbacks, with 7 being positive and 6 negative.
So 19-13=6 not 3 :(
And its totally not that he just created 3 more giveaways since that post was made.

PS: This is to be taken as a joke, not a serious thing at all.
Except the math part, I think thats correct.
 

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@derpowitz, I guess you're angry because I did my math wrong :(, my apologies:


It's not actually 3 left to go, its 6, since he has a total of 19 giveaways created and only 13 total feedbacks, with 7 being positive and 6 negative.
So 19-13=6 not 3 :(
And its totally not that he just created 3 more giveaways since that post was made.

PS: This is to be taken as a joke, not a serious thing at all.
Except the math part, I think thats correct.
I think maybe Derpy is angry to the fact that after -6 he isn't banned yet when staff told him they will ban him on -3. Did that guy managed to bribe Indiegala support? Time will tell :ROFLMAO:

As far as I see that guy is still roaming around with his giveaway entries placed and giveaways created today :unsure:
 

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Yes co2no has it right, I'm upset and disappointed that the whole giveaway reputation system has been ruined by just a few weeks of site staff taking their eyes off the ball and refusing to take action or do some basic investigation when reports come in. If the rules aren't going to be enforced then we might as well just make the whole thing a free-for-all without levels, anyone can give and anyone can receive.

I'm also upset about people not knowing what viruses are and breathing their germs all over me when I tell them to keep their uncovered monkey faces away from mine, the steady weakening of global democracies, the fact there's no cheap upgrade to the Deluxe Edition of Code Vein, and the price of tomatoes...

So worry not Tugamix, but if you wouldn't mind sending your own report into the staff to make sure they know that this guy has now crossed the red line they promised me just a few days ago, that would be swell.
 

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I'm upset and disappointed that the whole giveaway reputation system has been ruined by just a few weeks of site staff taking their eyes off the ball and refusing to take action
I think they've been very hands-off with the giveaways for way longer than few weeks.

And I'd say no automatic ban for three negative feedbacks is a good thing anyway, because even if you do your best and try to reach out to people, it's not always possible. For example, I just recently got my negatives to -3 from -4 and those three consist of an obvious bot, a person who blocked me, when I tried to get them a replacement key and a person who, after getting a working replacement, said they would write to support and either didn't or their email got lost and ignored somewhere. None of those are really my fault and getting into trouble over that would've been annoying.

And that's not even getting into the issue of people giving negative feedback for proper working keys. I didn't get any obviously fake negatives so far, but I think @cheerie132 mentioned someone winning a DLC from her and giving a negative feedback because they couldn't activate it without the base game.

The giveaway system desperately needs proper moderation and actual rules that explicitly state what's allowed and forbidden or at the very least unlimited blacklist capacity so honest users could at least have a small chance of getting rid of bad actors. Currently even blacklisting just the scammers reported in this topic is impossible.
 

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I think they've been very hands-off with the giveaways for way longer than few weeks.

And I'd say no automatic ban for three negative feedbacks is a good thing anyway, because even if you do your best and try to reach out to people, it's not always possible. For example, I just recently got my negatives to -3 from -4 and those three consist of an obvious bot, a person who blocked me, when I tried to get them a replacement key and a person who, after getting a working replacement, said they would write to support and either didn't or their email got lost and ignored somewhere. None of those are really my fault and getting into trouble over that would've been annoying.

And that's not even getting into the issue of people giving negative feedback for proper working keys. I didn't get any obviously fake negatives so far, but I think @cheerie132 mentioned someone winning a DLC from her and giving a negative feedback because they couldn't activate it without the base game.

The giveaway system desperately needs proper moderation and actual rules that explicitly state what's allowed and forbidden or at the very least unlimited blacklist capacity so honest users could at least have a small chance of getting rid of bad actors. Currently even blacklisting just the scammers reported in this topic is impossible.
Also it's a royal pain in the arse to track down someone's personal page and blacklist them in the first place, you need to know all the broken backdoors in this site just to get proper functionality. I agree with Cheerie, they should let the community appoint some moderators with special powers and privileges if the staff don't want to do it themselves.

Maybe in the meantime someone can start a list of the most chronic offenders, track down some of the con artists already sitting at level 6 and 7 if possible. Is it a violation of the site rules to publicly identify users who are provably breaking the rules?
 

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but I think @cheerie132 mentioned someone winning a DLC from her and giving a negative feedback because they couldn't activate it without the base game.
happened to me twice :) very happy to receive bad feedback because people just enter everything without reading - one of the DLCs I got negative feedback for had.... wait for it... the word "DLC" in the name. Both of the keys worked btw, I passed them onto people who confirmed it for me. AND like you say @freakill I also had a person leave negative feedback for no apparent reason and the BLOCK me on Steam when I reached out to them, left a message on their Steam page, left a message on their profile here, left a PM here... no resolution what-so-ever, so I'm guessing it was a fake negative (private library, of course, so could not check)

Is it a violation of the site rules to publicly identify users who are provably breaking the rules?
I don't think so, this website is a lawless land. And it's not like we would be calling out people who made an honest mistake once or twice and have amended for it, these are cheater, scammer, system abusers who do it multiple times, fully knowing they are creating fake giveaways. I have no mercy for them. We kind of do that already anyway by reporting the giveaways here, so either we have been breaking some mysterious rules all this time or no rules exist. For once, I'm glad it's the latter
 

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the word "DLC" in the name. Both of the keys worked btw,...
I kind of not understand why people join for DLC giveaways without knowing that a base game is required. As if once you activate a DLC the base game magically gets activated as well? Which I think is kind of absurd tbh.. Furthermore many of the DLCs has that ribbon label for DLC stamped on the top left corner of the giveaway so that is in no way missable.. Those winners are perhaps just joining for the sake of joining and trying to utilize their silvers and hoping they win something usable I suppose? :unsure:

I don't think so, this website is a lawless land. And it's not like we would be calling out people who made an honest mistake once or twice and have amended for it, these are cheater, scammer, system abusers who do it multiple times, fully knowing they are creating fake giveaways. I have no mercy for them. We kind of do that already anyway by reporting the giveaways here, so either we have been breaking some mysterious rules all this time or no rules exist. For once, I'm glad it's the latter
I kind of hope really that there is a new implementation for community moderators like how AWA does it. Some proper guidelines has to be set in place lest the ACS (Abusers, Cheaters and Scammers) kept trying to gain exp they are not supposed to. Power leveling by cheats is just really ludicrous at this point.. I can understand that those in the knowing will probably tell the cheating and give a negative feedback thus depriving them of their cheat exp. But say most of the new and unknowing users will think that this is just part of how Indiegala operates and winning a key is supposed to be a happy event regardless of whether it be for the true advertised or some beta cheating. Doesn't make the credibility any good in my sense.. Alas.. We kept trying but Indiegala isn't budging at this point and we are just living with it. It's like playing Among Us and trying to find those impostors (in this case telling the cheats from the ordinary users). 😞
 

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I don't think so, this website is a lawless land. And it's not like we would be calling out people who made an honest mistake once or twice and have amended for it, these are cheater, scammer, system abusers who do it multiple times, fully knowing they are creating fake giveaways. I have no mercy for them. We kind of do that already anyway by reporting the giveaways here, so either we have been breaking some mysterious rules all this time or no rules exist. For once, I'm glad it's the latter
It's a shame, because I do remember when it was moderated before when it was using the old interface, which I actually liked a hell of a lot better.
They claim there are rules, but they don't enforce them. It's about as good as having no rules at all.

As for the ban based on feedback, I think it "should" be done by percentage, rather than absolute number.
I'm pretty sure my stats aren't perfect with regards to giveaways, but I do always try and make it right (despite some people not reading it or gave me negative reviews despite being a scammer).

It definitely should be more stringent earlier on though. A majority of your keys shouldn't be bad especially from the get-go.
It's possible to get a bad key, but not offering to make it right and clearly being scams are a whole different story.
However, if you're legitimately at like 100 giveaways and only 3 are bad, that's damn great all things considered.

EDIT: I'm also curious what my stats actually ARE. I don't think you can see your own stats, so I can't say for certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if I have at least 3, but I would assume my ratio more than makes up for it.
 
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With how hard it is to level up the honest way and how rampant level abuse is I think it might be better do lower level giveaways. It's not like there's a huge community of people here sending high value games regularly so all the high exp beta key giveaways and Facerig DLC scams can really inflate the number of high level users. Just currently I have counted about 200 Back 4 Blood beta giveaways finishing in the next 24 hours. And there were hundreds and hundreds more given away the last few days.
 

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Another one to report for spamming of Back 4 Blood giveaways: 8 giveaways of the beta keys for EVERY LEVEL UNTIL 5 so 40 keys in total.
One of the many giveaways

Aside from that, lately I saw that most of the giveaways I made are won from obvious alt accounts (either private or like 10 free games on account).
First people started doing fake giveaways, once most people saw that nothing happened to those who infranged the rules it's obvious that more and more users are starting to abuse the system, then they thought "why not" and started creating more accounts. Or at least that's what I think.
 

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once most people saw that nothing happened to those who infranged the rules it's obvious that more and more users are starting to abuse the system, then they thought "why not" and started creating more accounts. Or at least that's what I think.
That was exactly my earlier comment. Either seeing others get away with it or trying and succeeding, it snowballs. Plus this thread talking about it potentially teaches readers to do it. While drastic, derps and librarian's comments about wiping or setting everything to one level is the only fair method though it also kills any incentive to participate. But what can you do. As for me, I will keep creating giveaways, for now.

Since on the topic of giveaways, a bit of a tangent, but... I'm annoyed that the gameplay giveaway goes down and "wastes" your feedback bonus. Missed yesterday completely due to schedule, and then today, no benefit from feedback because it took too long to reopen. I don't really have a good solution other than to let the user choose when to "redeem" the bonus indiegala server's day reset, or better transparency to let us know exactly when it will expire, because it's impossible to tell as it is. It was good that they tied participation into a reward like this, but I am beyond frustrated trying to function by their invisible clock.
 
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I've seen this user creating more than 20 (gave up checking after that) of Back 4 Blood. Well wouldn't be very surprising since Back 4 Blood early access was subsequently given out on SteelSeries, a site known for bot and abusers loving. And the whole bunch of keys were swept clean in 1.5 days. Took other sites longer than that to finish up their stocks. Needless to say where all those bot/spam account keys for Back 4 Blood went.

This is just one of his many abused giveaways. https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/736220
Nothing can be done about this since those in power (Indiegala team) sits on this. And none of us are empowered to do anything. We can only hope someday we will have some community moderators to stop these abuse but I fear by then the level cheaters would already have gotten to level 10 and not doing more giveaways (nothing to stop them anymore)

Like MadLibrarian said, I have since a good time back been setting my giveaways to level 0 (this way the abusers can abuse but get no benefit). Most of the winners of my giveaways are level 0 accounts though I have gotten a couple higher levels winning them but they are much lesser.
 

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The iS price is set automatically based on the Steam price of games as far as I know. I don't know how they could solve this without manual work. Maybe if they set all pre-release games at 1iS no matter the price but I don't think they'd want to do that.

If they have to set the prices for these games with betas manually then it might be easier to just delete the fradulent giveaways manually. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes every day even now and it would take even less once people quit doing these giveaways (or get banned from that section).
 
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