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And in the first place, I don't see much point in complaining about giveaways that only cost 1 iS to enter and grant the giver a negligible amount of IndieGala XP. Just so long as the raffler uses the description field to correctly identify the key as being alpha or beta or whatever (as Dante did), isn't it fine?
 
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curtainferno said:
And in the first place, I don't see much point in complaining about giveaways that only cost 1 iS to enter and grant the giver a negligible amount of IndieGala XP. Just so long as the raffler uses the description field to correctly identify the key as being alpha or beta or whatever (as Dante did), isn't it fine?
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Yeah, I have that kind of conversation with some users here multiple times, but almost every time the answer was "who's reading the description per se?", which is such a paradox 'cause if I've hadn't wrote about that key was indeed for beta, [MZK]Lightning wouldn't even knew it's for beta indeed.
But the most hypocritical thing's that there're more users done the same but it's only me who's got reported on this thread :cool:
I'm starting to think it's personal even though it was just twice by now and the first time I was wrong indeed ('cause I gave an Steam in-game code instead of an actual Steam key)...:unsure:
 
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First, I have no idea how anything we're talking about qualifies as "cowardly". 🤔
That said:

If a game costs even just $1 on Steam, and thus grants even just $1 worth of Indiegala XP, I would join you in condemning this sort of thing.
But if the linked-to game is delisted, or free-to-play, or not yet released (nor preorderable), and thus grants $0 worth of Indiegala XP, then, it just doesn't seem worth the effort of complaining about, to me.

Personally, I've never used the raffle section of the site to give away such keys, nor do I intend to ever do so in the future. I'd rather dump such keys in the Keydrops thread or GAMERS LAIR. And I don't really understand why Dante didn't choose to do the same.

But why not focus on the cheaters who actually get something for their cheating? There's still plenty of those around.
 
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mzklightning said:

Uploader: ★彡[黒ひげ]彡★

Giveaway for a game currently marked on Steam as "not yet available". Possible Beta key giveaway, which violates the IG giveaways section rules.

Very suspect.
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1. Can you give me the link to those rules? I've read some IG rules on two instances and there were NO information about demos and/or betas 🤷‍♂️
2. I don't know about that exact case, but I've had that same game through email from the publisher/developer themselves and it was working key though the game is in a permanent beta mode as of now, so I guess that user maybe could have a key through the same circumstances.:unsure:
3. I think I've meant "suspicious", not "suspect"🤭
 
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Dantefromhell89 said:
1. Can you give me the link to those rules? I've read some IG rules on two instances and there were NO information about demos and/or betas 🤷‍♂️
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That should be a given. Like come on, they barely have stuffs for the forum or customer support.
Do you want them to make a 10 page terms & condition for something like community giveaway section?

Like obviously demo or beta usually don't give full access to a game & the website can't tell that info. It will give points as long as feedback is positive. Same with in game codes. I have seen once an user giveaway for an in game item for 40$ game. So website will give points for the full price game, not for a partial demo or alpha or in game item.
And there are many instances where beta or demos are time limited. So you might lose access to a game after a month or 2 whereas the points one receive is permanent.
Basically it's a loop hole that some users abuse. No one obviously can't tell for every case by case situation besides the giveaway creator which they rarely do besides saying "demo' or "beta" on description.
 
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nirjor said:
That should be a given. Like come on, they barely have stuffs for the forum or customer support.
Do you want them to make a 10 page terms & condition for something like community giveaway section?
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If one can tell "that's against the rules!" I NEED to see those rules. Otherwise, it's NOT against the rules.
And you know what really should be given? Reading the friggin' info on every giveaway, but we both know that the majority of ppl here thinks that it's not necessary to read the description BEFORE you spent your silver.
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Same with in game codes. I have seen once an user giveaway for an in game item for 40$ game. So website will give points for the full price game, not for a partial demo or alpha or in game item.
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We're talking about Steam keys, not about some in-game codes. If both demos and betas out of law here, so there must be a rule about it. Also there must be a rule about creating a giveaway with free-to-play games 'cause it's pretty much the same thing.
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Basically it's a loop hole that some users abuse.
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IMO, when someone's abusing the something it's not a one time thing. Am I right?
I'm not against the rules and I'm not against punishment for abusers, but the only thing that can justify any kind of punishment is the law or in our case - the rules.
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besides saying "demo' or "beta" on description.
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if it's said in the description than it's not an abuse per se :cool:🚬
if the description says all the info about the actual giveaway than all's fair and square.
 
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Dantefromhell89 said:
If one can tell "that's against the rules!" I NEED to see those rules. Otherwise, it's NOT against the rules.
if it's said in the description than it's not an abuse per se :cool:🚬
if the description says all the info about the actual giveaway than all's fair and square.
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And I already said Indiegala doesn't have the time or interest in enforcing or creating such rules (which should be common sense), so I guess free for all.
I also don't get why you are so obsessed with "description".
A "description" also isn't a rule. But obviously you conveniently made up "if the description says all the info about the actual giveaway then all's fair and square" & "if it's said in the description then it's not an abuse per se" since that supports ones action.
I ain't a mod or representative of Indiegala. So I don't care how people do giveaways. But don't act surprise if people give negative feedback after winning a giveaway even with "description".
 
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nirjor said:
And I already said Indiegala doesn't have the time or interest in enforcing or creating such rules (which should be common sense), so I guess free for all.
I also don't get why you are so obsessed with "description".
A "description" also isn't a rule. But obviously you conveniently made up "if the description says all the info about the actual giveaway then all's fair and square" & "if it's said in the description then it's not an abuse per se" since that supports ones action.
I ain't a mod or representative of Indiegala. So I don't care how people do giveaways. But don't act surprise if people give negative feedback after winning a giveaway even with "description".
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As I've said, I'm not against punishment if it's justified by the law. If someone don't like what he/she got from my giveaway they can leave nega-feedback.
The only problem I could have with that person tied with his/her inability to read in english (remember, I'm not an englishman myself too, so it's pretty much ironic), but that's more of a personal thoughts than a point for an argument.
Still it has nothing to do with the statement about "beta keys are against rules", and that's what I'm concerned about, even though this time it has nothing to do with my giveaways.
 
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@Dantefromhell89 I'm only reporting the Beta/Alpha keys for 2 fundamental reasons:

1. The Alpha/Beta/Review keys for a lot of games are contractually disallowed from being given away, traded, or sold per the TOS of the Alpha/Beta/Review period agreement.

2. As @nirjor has stated, the beta key giveaways give the full amount of giveaway experience for a product that is not the full game. (Not to mention that the entry price is calculated on the price for the full game as well) This usually leaves the person who wins the giveaway with access to the game until its release date, when they have to pay for the full game. If it is not in the rules (Which I will be emailing Paula from IndieGala Customer Support for clarification on), it at the very least goes against the spirit of a giveaway section, which is intended for full game and qualifying DLC keys only.

Speaking of which:


Uploader: Drew

Giveaway marked as for the "Prologue" for the game, and this game is in the play testing period on Steam. Possible Non-complete game and/or Beta key giveaway.
 
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mzklightning said:
@Dantefromhell89 I'm only reporting the Beta/Alpha keys for 2 fundamental reasons:

1. The Alpha/Beta/Review keys for a lot of games are contractually disallowed from being given away, traded, or sold per the TOS of the Alpha/Beta/Review period agreement.
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Just like I said earlier, I never seen nor was forced to sign any contractual agreements.
All the keys I've used in GA section were either from Indiegala itself or from Lootboy (if we're talking about betas or keys that aren't for full game but still are in the form of Steam keys, not the in-game codes. I've done only one giveaway with the in-game code and after I understood that it's literally against the rules I've never done this again). If the key is for beta I use the description to SHOW this to anyone who choose to spent his/her free silver. IMHO, there's a separate cauldron in Hell for those who do not read the description of the giveway and then whine that they didn't get what they've expected.
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2. As @nirjor has stated, the beta key giveaways give the full amount of giveaway experience for a product that is not the full game. (Not to mention that the entry price is calculated on the price for the full game as well) This usually leaves the person who wins the giveaway with access to the game until its release date, when they have to pay for the full game. If it is not in the rules (Which I will be emailing Paula from IndieGala Customer Support for clarification on), it at the very least goes against the spirit of a giveaway section, which is intended for full game and qualifying DLC keys only.
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There's no such thing as "the spirit of giveaway section", so it's pretty outrageous that you're using some ephemeral term while literally reporting people for nothing. If that would have been against the rules of the platform I'd be ready to comply, but nothing of what you're talking is in the rules atm.
The only thing that's PRETTY MUCH CLEAR right now is this one:
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We'll see if your appeal for the rules' tightening will be used as the blueprint in the future, but until then don't you dare to mention words "against the rules" when it obviously and completely is a lie and/or solely is your opinion/worldview. Also, for a crime committed before the actual rule was implemented, no one has the right to punish anyone - only this way you'll be able to punish the actual abusers who are simply don't give a sheet if there're rules or not.
 
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Dantefromhell89 said:
Just like I said earlier, I never seen nor was forced to sign any contractual agreements.
All the keys I've used in GA section were either from Indiegala itself or from Lootboy (if we're talking about betas or keys that aren't for full game but still are in the form of Steam keys, not the in-game codes. I've done only one giveaway with the in-game code and after I understood that it's literally against the rules I've never done this again). If the key is for beta I use the description to SHOW this to anyone who choose to spent his/her free silver. IMHO, there's a separate cauldron in Hell for those who do not read the description of the giveway and then whine that they didn't get what they've expected.

There's no such thing as "the spirit of giveaway section", so it's pretty outrageous that you're using some ephemeral term while literally reporting people for nothing. If that would have been against the rules of the platform I'd be ready to comply, but nothing of what you're talking is in the rules atm.
The only thing that's PRETTY MUCH CLEAR right now is this one:
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We'll see if your appeal for the rules' tightening will be used as the blueprint in the future, but until then don't you dare to mention words "against the rules" when it obviously and completely is a lie and/or solely is your opinion/worldview. Also, for a crime committed before the actual rule was implemented, no one has the right to punish anyone - only this way you'll be able to punish the actual abusers who are simply don't give a sheet if there're rules or not.
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As stated in my previous post, I've reached out to Paula from IndieGala Customer Service for clarification on this.

If she says the Alpha/Beta keys are cool, then I will immediately stop reporting them.

Does this sound good to you @Dantefromhell89 ?

Also, speaking of which:


Uploader: BlackImaginationTragic (AKA LEOHTBEREND)

Giveaway for a DLC that is already free on Steam.
 
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THAT looks like the ACTUAL suspicious activity:

YEAH, all by THE SAME user. But it's like no one watching, right? :unsure:
Can we all agree that even half of those don't have the proper valid/non-duplicate keys?
 
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Those are DLCs very easy to get for free, so could be legit. Beyond that, this guys seems to have not much negatives.
 
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