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Servers aren't closed as devs gave up the game?
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Some more quite wrong IC values:
- Anna's Quest 103 IC not guaranteed (is 103 a magic number this week?) - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562228
- Lucius 19 IC for not guaranteed. Never costed more, than $19.99, for the last 3.5 years max price $9.99 - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562234
EDIT: The Dark Eye: Chains of Satinav 103 IC - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562276, https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562277 (also 2 more Memoria by the same person - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562278, https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562279) .
Add Blackguards 2 at 103 IC as well - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562328.
Add The Night of the Rabbit and Goodbye Deponia at 103 IC - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562443, https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562442.
- Anna's Quest 103 IC not guaranteed (is 103 a magic number this week?) - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562228
- Lucius 19 IC for not guaranteed. Never costed more, than $19.99, for the last 3.5 years max price $9.99 - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562234
EDIT: The Dark Eye: Chains of Satinav 103 IC - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562276, https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562277 (also 2 more Memoria by the same person - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562278, https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562279) .
Add Blackguards 2 at 103 IC as well - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562328.
Add The Night of the Rabbit and Goodbye Deponia at 103 IC - https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562443, https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562442.
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I agree that there's something messed up with the iC and XP valuations right now, but I don't know that we'll be able to figure it out without the site admins (**ahem Paula ahem**) or someone else chiming in. It's obviously not based on how much something has been given away previously, the positive review status on Steam OR the price charged. So it's effectively arbitrary and magic.Originally posted by: Aydaylin said:
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Most likely I've actually been able to figure out the source of those errors, though I can't be sure, if it's caused by Steam's API, or by the way in which IG (and SteamDB as well) interprets data received from Steam. Memoria and Anna's Quest are included in The Daedalic Armageddon Bundle (https://store.steampowered.com/sub/55062/), which currently is sold at 90% discount. Lucius is included in Lucius Bundle (https://store.steampowered.com/sub/66219/), which also sell at 90% off. Most likely all games in those bundles are affected in the same way.Originally posted by: chstwnd said:
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Originally posted by: chstwnd said:
We are having a new issue with those 103IC/10300XP giveaways. At least 1 new account has been created clearly to exploit this bug. In the last hour, this created 2 days ago account, with no recorded GA yet has posted 18 x 103 IC GAs (https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562602 and all GAs between https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562604 and https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562620), which would give this cheater 185,400? XP (35.4k toward lvl 7).Originally posted by: Oh The Folly said:
Being fully aware, that a forum mods will not be able to deal with this issue, I've been expecting, that those forums are read, and that they will report it to site managers, if the managers don't read the forums themselves. Lack of any response is indeed upsetting, and makes it necessary to directly contact support.
I must add, that in my experience, the support and managers worked very well, when I've been reporting 2 issues before. Lets hope, now it will also happen.
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EDIT 12h later: Sorry for double post, I've just realized it's here. It must have been created in some weird way as a result of using the edit function.
Being fully aware, that a forum mods will not be able to deal with this issue, I've been expecting, that those forums are read, and that they will report it to site managers, if the managers don't read the forums themselves. Lack of any response is indeed upsetting, and makes it necessary to directly contact support.
I must add, that in my experience, the support and managers worked very well, when I've been reporting 2 issues before. Lets hope, now it will also happen.
Originally posted by: chstwnd said:
We are having a new issue with those 103IC/10300XP giveaways. At least 1 new account has been created clearly to exploit this bug. In the last hour, this created 2 days ago account, with no recorded GA yet has posted 18 x 103 IC GAs (https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562602 and all GAs between https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562604 and https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562620), which would give this cheater 185,400 XP (35.4k toward lvl 7).Originally posted by: Oh The Folly said:
Being fully aware, that a forum mods will not be able to deal with this issue, I've been expecting, that those forums are read, and that they will report it to site managers, if the managers don't read the forums themselves. Lack of any response is indeed upsetting, and makes it necessary to directly contact support.
I must add, that in my experience, the support and managers worked very well, when I've been reporting 2 issues before. Lets hope, now it will also happen.
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I messaged them about this. You do realize that there is no way to tell exactly how many giveaways someone has done.
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I've received a reply from Paula almost 5 hour ago, yet those 103 IC GAs have not been removed yet, some of them ending in 2-3 hours. I do believe, that in the past GAs were often being removed much faster, when they were being reported as coming from other sites' mass free giveaways. And that's really the first thing to do, to stop this problem from spreading: removal of all ongoing 103 IC GAs and putting those games temporarily on "can't be given away" list.Originally posted by: mseals said:
As for your statement, I don't really understand, what you are referring to. All GAs stay in the database for at least 3 months, even including the list of their participants (my oldest won GA is from February 25th, and I still can see all the details). Finding those, that benefit from this bug, is just a matter of properly searching the database.
As for the player, that I'm accusing of creation of duplicate exploiting account, well, I got mislead by small print, lol. There are indeed 18 consecutive GAs obviously created by the same player, but for 3 new accounts (mtdv, mdvc and mtdm), each of them with 0 feedback, 0 XP and 6 GAs created, so it's very easy to be sure, what's going on.
So, no, I'm quite convinced, that it's possible to clearly establish, what has happened. Quite opposite to what you say (or what I understand you saying), I think that it can and should be checked carefully, which players benefited from this bug, the extra points should be removed from their accounts, and appropriate action taking about those, that were clearly exploiting the bug.
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Volcanoids, it was given for free by Steelseries:
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The same issue affects SteamGifts, and I've received a convincing answer there.Originally posted by: chstwnd said:
It is a known issue there, but due to dynamic credit system does not impact users' XP there in a long term, so they don't care too much about it. Each time Daedalic Armageddon (and now it seems also Daedalic Gigantic) bundle goes on sale, Steam API reports the whole bundle price as a price of (some?) games included in the bundle. Prices reported by Steam API return to normal, once the sale is over (https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/DyR2q/buggy-game-values-at-steamgifts-indiegala-and-steamdb).
As it seems to be a recurring condition, the only serious question is, does it affect the XP earned from those giveaways here? If so, it certainly needs to be addressed, and XP for previous GA need to be adjusted.
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Hello,
I won the giveaway of https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562620 - Memoria (103 IC), by mtdm . The key I was given is for some DLC, as during the registration the error appears "Please first activate the original game".
I see the user has got two negative feedbacks already, and no positive ones. :/
(I'm just complaining, as I was very happy today to see I won, and now the disappointment...)
I won the giveaway of https://www.indiegala.com/giveaways/detail/562620 - Memoria (103 IC), by mtdm . The key I was given is for some DLC, as during the registration the error appears "Please first activate the original game".
I see the user has got two negative feedbacks already, and no positive ones. :/
(I'm just complaining, as I was very happy today to see I won, and now the disappointment...)
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Sorry, it's a nasty exploiter.Originally posted by: rst said:
It applies to all 3 accounts (mtdm, mdvc, mtdv) reported earlier for being freshly created duplicate accounts, trying to exploit 103 IC error. 6 GAs done for each, 0 positive and 2-4 negative feedbacks. Obviously the creator is creating broken GAs in hope, that some of them will not be picked up by winners in time, and that he will automatically get some XP then. They should be banned, as well as his main account, if it can be identified.
Actually, I believe, that all accounts creating multiple giveaways of those 103 IC games should be checked, and if found doing the same thing, perma banned.
Sadly, still no clear official statement, how this issue will be handled.
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Alarm bells should be ringing if fresh new accounts suddenly give multiple 103 point giveaways. Giving negative feedback and blacklisting should be used to help combat theses issues. You have every right to be disappointed but IG do not seem to do much about them as new accounts can be made so easily that deleting accounts is almost pointless.Originally posted by: rst said:
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Hopefully, this time IG will react. There is a very simple way to stop those alt accounts to be used in giveaways: adding a requirement, that for taking part in giveaways and trades IG account needs to be linked with lvl 5 Steam account. There are a few users, that maintain multiple lvl 5+ Steam accounts, but only a few abuse those accounts for looting giveaways.Originally posted by: Steveywonder75 said:
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New user making giveaways for software and DLC that is worth a few hundred dollars. Also at the moment I don't see a user name associated with these and as a result don't have a profile to click on.
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Well, that's not quite correct as this user is level 2 and has created at least 27 giveaways which have been marked positive with no negative feedback as of yet.Originally posted by: bottledinbond said:
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This has been an ongoing issue since this section started and IG have refused to do this even though its been suggested multiple times before so i would not hold my breath. Lots of users that used to be really heavy gifters have all but given up on this site. If it was not for guaranteed giveaways, i too would have stopped giving here as there is very limited moderation on the giveaways section. People can hide their profile so we cannot even engage in conversation with people giving away bad keys and if they allow that as well, it just encourages people to keep making fake/dodgy giveaways. Just do what most people now do and give away your keys on steamgifts like i mainly do. Its a real shame as i started on this site originally so i have a fondness for it but steamgifts is a much more controlled and moderated site for doing this.Originally posted by: Aydaylin said:
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I totally agree with you Steveywonder75 and you can add multiple entries GA that is a bait to create fake accounts to enter those.
Here are some more fake GA:
Here are some more fake GA: