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tugamix666 said:
I agree that calling you a cheater isn't right, you'd only be a cheater if its a repeated offence, otherwise its just a mistake.

And the alpha/beta keys giveaways seem to fall in the same category as the GOG keys giveaways, as in they are welcomed by very few people, and most will give a negative feedback as they expect to get a Steam key and don't even read the description of the giveaway.

There was a time where alpha/beta keys(1) and free games(2) were reported and the giveaway was deleted and if the user made enough of those giveaways then a ban would follow, but now there isn't a moderator for the giveaway section so its mostly up to the people to "take up arms" and give a negative feedback, even if they use the key, because thats most likely when they see its for a beta not the full game.

(1) Then there's also the "Report Giveaways Here" thread, where you can see the complaints about beta keys:

Report Giveaways Here

This is simply a place to report if you feel a giveaway is breaking the rules. and it will be looked into. Since everything is done manually it may take a few but it will be looked at. thank you for your reporting and help making Indiegala a decent place for giveaways.
forums.indiegala.com forums.indiegala.com

(2) Read this post by mseals (the previous mod):

Why I am not able to create a giveaway campaign?

Why I am not able to create a giveaway campaign? I can open "create new" and fill out all required fields - but at the end on clicking for "Calculate game value" the "Continue ->"-button changes to "Retry" and nothing happens! :-/
forums.indiegala.com forums.indiegala.com
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if Indie Gala removed that, of be able to post alpha and beta keys i would obey . www.steamgifts.com doesnt allow Alpha and beta keys and i dont post them why does IG does?
 
paulo-f

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syleox said:
i prefer saying you're not doing the right thing than scamming...
well if you can"t offer the game you"had advertised, don"t create this giveaway : basic rule

in the 90's i bought a product via a brochure just because the vendor said i will have a gift (a photocamera)...well some days later i received a disposable photocamera....
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man Kid could say man try no to do that because is bad . only post giveaways that is for the full game or DLC but not he call-me a cheater so its a bit rude from his part and the ones that agree with the way he talked with me are also as bad. I did something bad inot do-it again but call a person a cheater its an offence and i cant agree with that actitude. Im not in this site for to long and sometimes i can make errors but it doesnt give the right to call me cheater.
 
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purpleinformativeesp

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paulo-f said:
cheaters are people that give codes that dont work and dont try to fix the situation by offering some other key or game. One time i gort a key in a trade that didnt work but the player later contact me and try to get me another key. was he a a cheater NO. He is a nice person. Did i rage and call him a cheater NO. like you guys like to do to me. Im a honest person and didnt try to deceive anyone like you guys want to make others belive. I live by the laws of God and i woulnd do something like that...you guys are bulling me and make me sad shame on you guys.
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Those are different situations. Sometimes the keys don't work, but if you're willing to replace it with a working one, then that's okay. You are thinking there's only one kind of cheater, but there's not.
When I make giveaways I say people to contact me if the key doesn't work, especially with Gameplay Giveaway codes. It's something that can happen, but most of the time the person giving the key doesn't know it won't work. But it's a completely different case with the alpha keys, they know well what they're doing. They get lots of those keys and keep giving them away like candy.

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if Indie Gala removed that, of be able to post alpha and beta keys i would obey . www.steamgifts.com doesnt allow Alpha and beta keys and i dont post them why does IG does?
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If you are willing to keep giving those keys we can't stop you, but don't expect positive feedback from the vast mayority of the users of IG.


And by the way, I'm not trying to accuse you of nothing, but I'm curious about the reason you didn't use the key on your own account. Why would you claim a key you didn't want in the first place?
 
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paulo-f said:
man Kid could say man try no to do that because is bad . only pot giveaways that is for the full game or DLC but not he call-me a cheater so its a bit rude from his part and the ones that agree with the way he talked with me are also as bad. I did something bad inot do-it again but call a person a cheater its an offence and i cant agree with that actitude. Im not in this site for to long and sometimes i can make errors but it doesnt give the right to call me cheater.
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i agree it was rude
 
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paulo-f said:
man Kid could say man try no to do that because is bad . only pot giveaways that is for the full game or DLC but not he call-me a cheater so its a bit rude from his part and the ones that agree with the way he talked with me are also as bad. I did something bad inot do-it again but call a person a cheater its an offence and i cant agree with that actitude.
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I never called you a cheater and I even admitted in front of everyone here that I did the same thing as you before. Some people have called you a cheater, but just get over it, it's not that bad of an insult. If you are a man of God and an honest person, just accept your mistake and continue down the right path. Not everyone here will like you, there are people disliking me since the first time I got on this thread, but it's ok, that's life.
But we all agree on one thing - the alpha keys should not be on giveaway section.
 
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wlad-art said:
I never called you a cheater and I even admitted in front of everyone here that I did the same thing as you before. Some people have called you a cheater, but just get over it, it's not that bad of an insult. If you are a man of God and an honest person, just accept your mistake and continue down the right path. Not everyone here will like you, there are people disliking me since the first time I got on this thread, but it's ok, that's life.
But we all agree on one thing - the alpha keys should not be on giveaway section.
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Who the hell doesn't like you? give me his name I'll destroy him :mad:
 
paulo-f

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purpleinformativeesp said:
Yeah, Kid sometimes tends to be a little bit extreme about this kind of situations.
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im very emotional and right now im feeling very sad. I have no more words. all the post i was trying to explain i dont think it was wrong but im in this site not long and might made a mistake...bur insulting me and all that messages of you Wrong you Wrong Kid was right... im in breakdown state. Me depression won me over. im going to stay away from this page with so many hate.
 
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wlad-art said:
Thank you for the kind offering my brother, but I prefer it that way. I like to be neutral, like in RPGs, not a good guy, not a bad guy, just right there in the middle. Getting a negative feedback is sometimes good for the personal development. :)
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I am like that in RdR 2 , I kill few hundred people in the game :) , get negative karma and then proceed to nearest town and greet people with howdy 🤠 and Karma raises again (y)
 
jer7cho

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paulo-f said:
im very emotional and right now im feeling very sad. I have no more words. all the post i was trying to explain i dont think it was wrong but im in this site not long and might made a mistake...bur insulting me and all that messages of you Wrong you Wrong Kid was right... im in breakdown state. Me depression won me over. im going to stay away from this page with so many hate.
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We are all strangers to you on the internet , if strangers have an effect on you like this on the internet , how will you cope with real life problems. Don't be so sensitive , thats the best advice I can give you , just don't create any more demo giveaways and most members will let it go, relax man.
Nobody actually hates you , you do know that right ?
 
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paulo-f said:
im very emotional and right now im feeling very sad. I have no more words. all the post i was trying to explain i dont think it was wrong but im in this site not long and might made a mistake...bur insulting me and all that messages of you Wrong you Wrong Kid was right... im in breakdown state. Me depression won me over. im going to stay away from this page with so many hate.
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just try to understand that giving away an already free thing is not a proper way to give or gift and everything will be alright
 
purpleinformativeesp

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paulo-f said:
im very emotional and right now im feeling very sad. I have no more words. all the post i was trying to explain i dont think it was wrong but im in this site not long and might made a mistake...bur insulting me and all that messages of you Wrong you Wrong Kid was right... im in breakdown state. Me depression won me over. im going to stay away from this page with so many hate.
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I'm really sorry if I said something that offended you. What I was trying to do was to make you understand that giving away those keys it's wrong.
And like Jer7cho said, we are all strangers on the internet. You should try to not take too seriously anyting that happens over here. The net can be a very cruel place, and that could be very bad for you if you let it affect you that much.
 
tugamix666

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paulo-f said:
if Indie Gala removed that, of be able to post alpha and beta keys i would obey . www.steamgifts.com doesnt allow Alpha and beta keys and i dont post them why does IG does?
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I don't know why IG allows it, but its really just people that expected to get a full game not a beta, but if you want to blacklist the winners for giving you a negative feedback for these keys you certainly should also consider this from the perspective of the winner:
  • They see the "card" in the giveaways page that shows the game thats supposed to be given away with the title at the top with no mention of "beta version";
  • They are interested in the game (maybe they saw some gameplay of it on youtube from all the gameshows or just a brief look at its steam page) and enter the giveaway from there;
  • And when they do win it among all the people that joined it they see its only for a beta and thats certainly gonna upset them, they expected to get a key for the full game, even if the game isn't out yet which is the case here, since most of the time people don't check if the game they are getting a ticket for is out yet.
  • Maybe they THEN check the giveaway and read the description and notice it was for a beta, maybe they dont even read it, they'll either ask if there was a mistake with the key and the beta was posted instead of the full game key or leave a negative feedback without saying anything.

Now, there may be some people that do enter the giveaway knowing its for a beta because they want to try the game to check if it'll be worth buying when it comes out, there are also people that enter the giveaways to leave a negative feedback so as to not let the creator of the giveaway get any experience points to level up from a beta key.

All this said, don't feel bad about a negative feedback on beta key giveaways, if you want to keep making them do it, but know that some people will dislike it and maybe even add you to their blacklist, but don't feel so down that you think you need to blacklist them, its not worth your time. Unless its for a key for a full game that you know worked, in which case do post about it in the report giveaways thread and maybe add the winners trade link so people know.
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